Welcome at My Jane Austen Book Club, Kathleen and Susan! I'm always really glad when I
find new Janeites to share with. Then, if they happen to be teachers of English
literature like me, I become very curious. So, my first question is linked to
my job, our job. Do you teach Jane Austen and what do you think young people can
learn from her?
Susan: I do teach Jane Austen, especially in upper level courses where
students need to connect with excellent writing. Austen models the level of perfection a
writer can achieve through scrupulous review and revision: sentence clarity and style, precise word
choice, understanding of audience, to name a few. You don’t reach millions of readers over two
centuries without doing your homework in those areas.
Kathleen: We incorporate Austen novels into our courses whenever
possible. We all have so much to learn
from Jane Austen. Especially young
people can become more sensitized to effective, grammatical, elegant language
by absorbing her beautiful, witty narrative style. Moreover, all of the novels emphasize the
importance of the feelings of others and of the preservation of the social
fabric, a beneficial reminder to all of us.
We often forget that we live in community.
Why Jane Austen? I mean, what
are the reasons of the appeal of Jane Austen’s world for the 21st century
reader?
Susan: Why does Austen appeal to the 21st century reader? I think she appeals because of her profound
understanding of people and the archetypal situations that she pictures: the desire to be understood and to connect
with others; the problem of dealing with difficult people whom one should not
offend; the search for happiness, but not at the expense of virtue and honor,
however one defines those concepts; the importance of having the courage to
admit one has been wrong; and, of course, much more. Young or old, as readers, I think that we
also connect with the deep sense of longing in her characters for an orderly
world.
Kathleen: Many people, especially women, feel a deep nostalgic longing for
old-fashioned elegance, grace, and decorum.
Austen’s novels portray a world in which the best characters are models
of virtue and social responsibility as well as likeable people that we’d want
to have as friends. Who wouldn’t want to
hang out with Elizabeth Bennet and Emma Woodhouse?
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Jane Austen and modernity. What would her wit’s favourite targets have
been if she had written nowadays?
Susan: Jane’s targets would probably not have been very much different
today than they were in her novels. She
loves to deflate people whose sense of themselves becomes so exalted that they
cannot imagine someone else holding
another opinion (at least, with any justice).
Think of Mr. Collins and his ridiculous proposal to Elizabeth Bennet,
Austen’s spunkiest heroine; he actually thinks he is doing HER a favor. Consider Lady Catherine de Bourgh, who uses
bluster to mow down opposition—until she meets Elizabeth, who will be true to
her heart, no matter the cost. Who would
that translate to today—political commentators?
Reality show “celebrities”?
Politicians? I suspect Our Jane
would be able to make all of them look as petty as they really are.
Kathleen: She would probably be surprised by the many cosmetic procedures
people can and do have done to “improve” their appearance, the worship of
celebrity, and the fashion trends of today.
And of course, there are all the things that our culture still shares
with hers. Human beings continue to be hilariously
flawed and silly. We all know a Mrs.
Bennet, a Marianne Dashwood, a Mr. Crawford, a Mr. Woodhouse.
What would she have appreciated
the most in our world, instead?
Better medical care (she probably would
have lived a lot longer in our world and produced another six brilliant
novels), and better opportunities for women to earn their own money and avoid
the pressure to marry a Mr. Collins.
Today, she’d have her own website and her own blog; she’d be twittering
with the best of them; and most of all, she’d be able to live on Palm Beach or
her own estate at Pemberley, if she chose to.
The huge spreading of
spin-offs, sequels, mash-ups is due to a desire to preserve and Jane’s
messages, atmospheres, techniques and prolong the pleasure or more to the
ambition to correct and adapt what in her work is considered too distant or
different?
We think that all the current Austenesque
endeavors stem more from our sorrow that she left only six major novels, and we
want more. If she had been as prolific
as a Georgette Heyer (her admirer and emulator) or even a modern romance
writer, perhaps we would not have the pent-up longing to try to enter her world
and prolong our pleasure. That she is
not remote or distant is witnessed by the range of people of many cultures and
age groups who enjoy her writing. The
problem is, she didn’t have time to write enough—and thus, I think, we want to
fill that gap, if we can. But
ultimately, we know that no one else can be Jane Austen.
Do you think that all these
adaptations, both written and for the screen, could alter, mislead or even
distort the interpretation of Austen’s work?
Susan: I suppose that one could argue that the adaptations could distort
the interpretation of Austen’s work, except that time has a way of winnowing
out the dross. Some of the imitations,
adaptations, and dramatizations clearly excel, while others tend to leave one
in a swoon. But who, for example, looks
at the 1940’s film of Pride and Prejudice
as anything but an odd anomaly?
Kathleen: Definitely. Austen’s works
do not promote or directly portray physical violence or explicit sex, for
example. What is so wonderful about her
novels is that they portray real people with real problems and real triumphs,
but in ways that are not sensationalistic, but layered, suggestive, complex,
thoughtful, intelligent. We love
Austen’s novels so much because they’re so witty, and genuine wit never depends
on vulgarity.
Isn’t the romantic aspect
of her novels over- emphasized in the
film versions or TV series we’ve seen so far? (Not that I mind romance, but
those romantic scenes in the movies are so often not at all Austen-style!)
Kathleen: Probably so. She portrays
such a rich variety of human relationships and interactions in each novel. However, courtship and marriage were
undeniably central to women’s lives in Austen’s age.
What is the peculiarity which
makes Jane Austen’s genius unique?
Susan: I think the peculiarity that makes Jane Austen’s genius unique is
her command of the English language and her ability to turn it so precisely to
her desires. She has so apt a way of
turning a phrase, and she so listens to and appreciates the cadence of language
as well as its meaning, that the reader is drawn into her fictional world
hardly understanding the nature of the siren song that brings him there.
Kathleen: Her clever, whimsical, satirical but forgiving voice in both her
novels and her surviving letters. The
narrator of each novel is almost as interesting a character as the heroine,
with her constant amusing commentary. We
feel like we know Jane Austen on a personal level and she is our friend.
Now a few questions about your
just released JANE AUSTEN’S GUIDE TO
THRIFT: An Independent Woman’s Advice on Living within One’s Means.
How did you come to write this guide together?
Susan: We came to write this book together because we work together, of
course, and we co-coordinate the local chapter of the Jane Austen Society of
North America. We had done a
presentation together on women’s letters, a conference paper on body image in
Austen, and a dramatic adaptation of scenes from Austen’s novels. In addition, we embarked on a number of
adventures in the world of garage sales, thrift shops, and antique shows that
made this book a natural for a collaborative project. Our areas of practical expertise are very
different, so that we were able to supplement each other’s strengths and
weaknesses.
Kathleen: An agent originally suggested the idea of combining the two
topics, and it seemed like the perfect match for our interests and
experience. We love Austen and have read
all her novels many times, and we’re both thrift enthusiasts as well. In fact, we suspect that if Austen were alive
today, she might satirize us as ultra-thrifty women in a novel, but we hope
we’re nicer than Aunt Norris!
What was the funniest aspect of the experience?
Kathleen: We’ve had a lot of humorous experiences on the thrift
circuit. We thrifters are a unique
bunch, and anything can happen at an estate sale or second-hand shop. People enjoy handing each other bargains and
boasting of their own, offering lessons on the history of an odd object and so
on; it’s as if we’ve all walked right out of an Austen novel and are exchanging
snappy dialogue in a new but appropriate setting.
Susan: I think that some of the funniest aspects of our experience
together were our field trips to various sorts of sales. On one occasion, there was a wonderful
painting that I wanted very much, and it was quite clear that the vendor who
had it was seriously smitten with Kathleen.
Thus, I shoved her in to make the bargain at a much lower rate than I
would have been able to achieve, simply by smiling at him. Now that’s thrifty shopping.
How much of your advice come from Jane’s life and how much instead
from her work?
Susan: I think we wanted to use the novels and their characters as the
model for much of what we had to say, because readers would be more familiar
with the famous characters and situations.
Austen is so witty at drawing characters that we had no difficulty in
transporting them to modern situations and thinking how they would react. That being said, we were also well aware of
the life challenges Austen faced as referenced in her letters, which provide
intimate details of her own thrifty dealings.
We asked ourselves, “What would Jane do?” often in our writing, and we
often found, I think, that many of her characters reflect her own values. It was fun thinking of Lucy Steele in business
or as an eBay vendor (although I might add here, she’s not a character that
often thinks “What would Jane do?” or reflects Austen’s values, except by being
the opposite.)
Kathleen: Most of our tips come from the novels themselves, especially the
lives and quotable comments of the female characters, but Austen herself lived
an economical life while still being a chic, sophisticated lady, so she
provided the inspiration for the book.
Did you discover which is Austen’s recipe for happiness while working
on her novels?
We think Austen’s recipe for happiness
involves living a life of virtue and moderation. We strongly believe she was a woman of
principle, and she behaved consistently with her faith, with her values, and
with her standards. Such a life is
challenging because it requires a level of self-denial, but also satisfying at
the most profound level.
How would you advertise your book in less than 50 words?
Kathleen: Jane Austen’s Guide to
Thrift tells you everything you need to know to live a life of elegant
economy and joyful generosity on any budget.
Susan: Want to live within your means, thumb your nose at the credit card
companies, enjoy a satisfying life of elegant but thrifty style, and seek
adventure without running up debt or breaking your bank account (You WILL have
one!)? Want to enjoy the
experience? Get Jane Austen’s Guide to Thrift.
Kathleen Anderson and Susan Jones are the authors of Jane Austen’s Guide to Thrift (Berkley Books, 2013)
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